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June 23 2009
Comparing the '09 Lakers to champs of the past
By David Friedman
Pro Basketball News

Kobe Bryant has a solid supporting cast around him: Pau Gasol is one of the top 15 players in the NBA, Lamar Odom is well suited to being the third option and Trevor Ariza fits his role perfectly. Derek Fisher provides intangibles that are not measured in the boxscore and Andrew Bynum showed flashes of the player that he may eventually become.

However, most of the championship teams of the past two decades had a future Hall of Famer/All-NBA First or Second Team member/former or current MVP candidate as a second option and an All-Star/All-NBA/All-Defensive Team caliber player as a third option; those teams also generally had either a primetime scorer or All-Defensive team member at small forward.

It is true that some of the players mentioned below added to their resumes (in terms of All-Star selections, All-Defensive team selections, etc.) after playing on championship teams and that members of the 2009 Lakers may do so as well -- but it is extremely unlikely that Gasol, Odom, Ariza or Fisher will materially change how their careers are viewed; Gasol is not going to be considered one of the NBA's 50 Greatest Players nor is Odom going to suddenly become a perennial All-Star or a fixture on the All-Defensive Team.

Perhaps Bynum will eventually stay healthy and become an All-Star but during the 2009 playoffs he clearly was nothing more than a role player (unlike Sam Cassell, who was similarly young when he played a big role for the Rockets many years before becoming an All-Star).

Last season, I made the case that the 2008 Lakers were a deep team but not quite as talented as some people suggested. Although the 2008 Lakers had eight players who averaged at least 16.8 mpg in the playoffs, the talent level at the top of their rotation could not be compared with the Celtics, whose roster includes three future Hall of Famers. This year's Lakers are probably a little more talented than last year's Lakers but because the production of several bench players declined markedly the 2009 Lakers are not as deep as the 2008 Lakers; only six Lakers averaged at least 16.8 mpg in the 2009 playoffs.

The 2009 Lakers are Phil Jackson's 10th championship team and they are not as deep as most of the teams that won championships since Jackson claimed his first title in 1991. In this context, I am defining "depth" by evaluating the top seven players (based on playoff mpg) on a given team in terms of their playoff statistics during a championship season while also considering their overall career accomplishments; career accomplishments are relevant because they indicate a player's skill set, talent level and impact. I am focusing on playoff production because this provides the most accurate picture of who did the heavy lifting to win the championship.

The top seven players on the 1991 Chicago Bulls were Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, John Paxson, B.J. Armstrong and Craig Hodges. Everyone except Hodges shot over .500 from the field in the 1991 playoffs; Hodges, who won the All-Star Three Point Shootout three straight years (1990-92), took more than a third of his shots from behind the arc and shot .393 from long range.

Jordan and Pippen are both members of the NBA's 50 Greatest Players list, while Horace Grant, B.J. Armstrong and Bill Cartwright each earned one All-Star selection during their careers. Grant also made the All-Defensive Second Team four times. The 1991 Bulls were both talented and deep. The 1992 and 1993 Bulls had the same seven man playoff rotation except for Scott Williams taking the place of Hodges, who played a limited role during the 1992 championship run and was not on the team in 1993.

By the time Jordan came back from his self-imposed baseball exile to lead the Bulls to three championships from 1996-98, the team's entire seven man rotation had changed except for Jordan and Pippen.

The 1996 Bulls featured Jordan, Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Toni Kukoc, Ron Harper, Luc Longley and Steve Kerr. Rodman won seven straight rebounding titles, earned two Defensive Player of the Year awards and made the All-Defensive First Team seven times. He also played in two All-Star games and received two All-NBA Third Team selections. If not for his flamboyant personality, Rodman would likely have garnered many more honors and would be considered a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame.

Kukoc won the Sixth Man Award in 1996; throughout his career Kukoc displayed tremendous versatility and a knack for hitting clutch shots. Harper established himself as a 20 ppg scorer early in his career before a knee injury slowed him down; with the Bulls he remade himself into a defensive specialist. Longley was a solid center whose skills fit in well with the Triangle Offense. Kerr is the NBA's career leader in three point field goal percentage. All seven players averaged at least 19.8 mpg in the 1996 playoffs and they all were productive in the context of their roles, though Pippen and Kukoc did not shoot well in the playoffs that year.

The 1997 Bulls were even deeper, not only returning the same seven man rotation but adding Bison Dele (formerly known as Brian Williams) as an eighth man who averaged just .2 mpg fewer than Kerr. Dele was a skilled big man who could score and defend. Dele departed after one season, but the other seven players returned in 1998.

The Houston Rockets won back to back championships in 1994-95. The first Houston championship team featured Hakeem Olajuwon, Vernon Maxwell, Otis Thorpe, Robert Horry, Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell and Mario Elie.

Olajuwon is on the 50 Greatest Players List, Maxwell was a streak shooter who provided scoring/toughness and Thorpe was an excellent scorer/rebounder who annually ranked among the field goal percentage leaders. Seven-time NBA champion Horry began earning the nickname "Big Shot Bob" during his time in Houston, Smith was a standout shooter/playmaker and Cassell made the All-Star team and the All-NBA team once each during his career thanks to his clutch shooting and his playmaking ability. Elie was a "glue guy" for three championship teams.

The 1995 Rockets started slowly and then made a big trade, acquiring Clyde Drexler -- a member of the 50 Greatest Players List -- for Thorpe. The only other change to the seven man rotation was the addition of Pete Chilcutt -- a three point shooting big man -- in place of Maxwell, who only participated in one playoff game before being given a leave of absence by the team.

After Jerry Reinsdorf and Jerry Krause imploded the Bulls, the San Antonio Spurs won the 1999 championship in the wake of a lockout-shortened 50 game season. Tim Duncan, Avery Johnson, David Robinson, Sean Elliott, Mario Elie, Jaren Jackson and Malik Rose led the way for the Spurs. Duncan and Robinson are each on the 50 Greatest Players List and each won at least one MVP. The well-traveled Johnson proved to be a steady playmaker/leader for the Spurs. Two-time All-Star Elliott was a versatile player. Elie added toughness and championship experience. Jackson led the Spurs in three point field goals made during the playoffs while Rose was a seldom-used banger who played 11.4 mpg, just .5 mpg more than veteran forward Jerome Kersey.

The Spurs made several changes in their rotation by the time they won the 2003 championship, as only Duncan, Robinson and Rose remained. Tony Parker, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen and Manu Ginobili joined the mix.

Jackson's erratic shooting resulted in six 20 point games and nine games of fewer than 10 points during the Spurs' playoff run. Parker, San Antonio's second leading playoff scorer in 2003, has become a three-time All-Star and he won the 2007 Finals MVP. Ginobili has made the All-Star team once and in 2008 he made the All-NBA Third Team and won the Sixth Man Award. After bouncing around the league early in his career, Bowen became a perennial All-Defensive Team member in San Antonio and he also developed into a deadly three point shooter from the corners. Robinson played his last season in 2003 and while he was no longer a prime time offensive threat he still made an impact defensively. Rose's role increased significantly after 1999 and he averaged 23.3 mpg in the 2003 playoffs.

The 2005 Spurs retained Duncan, Parker, Bowen and Ginobili as the nucleus, adding Robert Horry, Brent Barry and Nazr Mohammed to the rotation. Horry's clutch play has already been mentioned. Barry provided dead eye .424 three point shooting, while Mohammed led the team in playoff field goal percentage (.528) and ranked second in rebounding (6.7 rpg). Duncan, Parker, Bowen, Ginobili and Horry also played for the 2007 champions, joined by two-time All-Star Michael Finley and inside presence Fabricio Oberto, who led the Spurs with a .625 field goal percentage in the playoffs.

The Lakers won three championships between the Spurs' first two titles. Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant headlined all three teams. O'Neal, who is on the 50 Greatest Players List, finished first, third and third in MVP voting during those seasons, while Bryant made the All-NBA First or Second Team and the All-Defensive First or Second Team all three times while placing 12th, ninth and fifth in MVP voting.

Three-time All-Star Glen Rice was the third scoring option for the 2000 Lakers. Ron Harper, Robert Horry, A.C. Green and Brian Shaw filled out the seven man rotation. Harper, Horry and Green all had previous championship experience, while Shaw had been a starter for playoff teams with several different franchises. Derek Fisher and Rick Fox were the eighth and ninth men in the rotation but they moved up to third and fourth respectively in 2001; Rice went to the Knicks but Horace Grant added rebounding and toughness in place of Rice's shooting. The 37 year old Harper appeared in just six playoff games.

The 2002 Lakers relied more heavily on their top five players -- O'Neal, Bryant, Horry, Fox and Fisher each averaged at least 34.2 mpg, Devean George played 17.2 mpg and Samaki Walker and Brian Shaw nearly tied for the seventh spot in the rotation (12.6 and 12.5 mpg respectively). George and Shaw shot poorly, while Walker provided solid rebounding in his limited minutes.

The 2004 Detroit Pistons are perhaps the most unusual NBA champions of recent times; their roster did not include any MVPs or members of the 50 Greatest Players List: the 1979 Seattle SuperSonics were the last championship team that did not have a former, current or future NBA regular season MVP and/or a member of the 50 Greatest Players List.

However, four of those Pistons made the All-Star team during their careers (Chauncey Billups, Richard Hamilton, Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace) and Tayshaun Prince earned four All-Defensive Team selections. Corliss Williamson won the Sixth Man Award as a Piston in 2002. Future All-Star Mehmet Okur ranked eighth in playoff minutes played, just behind defensive specialist Lindsey Hunter. The Pistons may not have had a superstar but they unquestionably had a deep roster.

The 2006 Miami Heat followed the traditional formula of surrounding two star players (Dwyane Wade and Shaquille O'Neal) with solid veteran role players: former All-Stars Gary Payton and Antoine Walker teamed up with quick point guard Jason Williams, rugged inside force Udonis Haslem and versatile defender/three point shooter James Posey to support Wade and O'Neal. Each member of the seven man rotation averaged at least 24.3 mpg in the playoffs. Seven-time All-Star and two-time Defensive Player of the Year Alonzo Mourning averaged 10.3 mpg as the eighth man, ranking third on the team in blocked shots during the playoffs.

As mentioned above, the 2008 Boston Celtics employed three future Hall of Famers: former MVP Kevin Garnett plus perennial All-Stars Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. The rest of the seven man rotation included talented young point guard Rajon Rondo, physically imposing center Kendrick Perkins, James Posey and three-time All-Defensive Team member P.J. Brown. Sam Cassell and promising forward Leon Powe finished just behind Brown in playoff mpg.

The 2009 Lakers do not look that imposing when compared to most of the aforementioned teams. Bryant, a former MVP who surely would be on any future 50 Greatest Players List, was option 2 (or perhaps 1B) for the three Lakers' championship teams earlier in the decade. Second option Pau Gasol has earned one All-NBA Third Team selection in his entire career and has never received a single MVP vote. He would have been the third option on the vast majority of championship teams since 1991, including all six Chicago championship teams, as well as the 2000-2002 Lakers, 2006 Heat, 2007 Spurs and 2008 Celtics.

One could make a good case that he also would have been the third option on the 1999 and 2005 Spurs. The 2004 Pistons ran an "equal opportunity" offense but it is unlikely that in that system he would have been featured over Hamilton and Billups and he may not have received more touches than Rasheed Wallace (depending on Wallace's mindset). The only championship teams from this era for whom Gasol would clearly have been a nice second option are the 1994 Rockets and 2003 Spurs.

In 2009, Lamar Odom posted the best field goal percentage (.524) and three point field goal percentage (.514) of his playoff career. He produced solid scoring (12.3 ppg) and rebounding (9.1 rpg) but would not have taken Horace Grant's spot for the 1991-93 Bulls or Dennis Rodman's position for the 1996-98 Bulls. Odom's scoring and rebounding numbers are comparable to Grant's but Grant was a more consistent player who earned one All-Star selection and four All-Defensive team selections during his career; while not all of those honors took place during Chicago's championship seasons, they speak to Grant's overall talent and level of play.

In contrast, Odom has never made the All-Star team or been selected to the All-Defensive Team. Rodman won three rebounding titles as a Bull, made the All-Defensive First Team once and received some MVP votes in 1996. Odom would not likely take Thorpe's spot for the 1994 Rockets and it would be a close call between Odom and the 1995 version of Horry. Based on positional designation Odom would come off of the bench for the 1999 Duncan/Robinson Spurs, though you could argue that he would be the third most productive player on that roster. Odom's rebounding would be useful for the 2000-2002 Lakers and 2006 Heat.

It is evident that the Bryant-Gasol-Odom trio hardly stands above Jordan-Pippen-Grant/Rodman, Olajuwon-Drexler-Horry, O'Neal-Bryant-Rice and Duncan-Parker-Ginobili.

At best, Bryant-Gasol-Odom ranks in the middle of the pack among championship trios in the past 19 years, primarily because the top two players in most of the other trios are all-time greats or at the very least perennial All-Stars, neither of which is true of Gasol.

The contrast between the Lakers and other recent championship teams is even more dramatic at roster spots four through seven. Trevor Ariza certainly did a fine job as a defender and spot-up three point shooter but he cannot create a shot for himself or others because of his limited skills as a ballhandler/passer. He would not have started at small forward for most of the past 19 championship teams, including the six Bulls teams (Pippen), the 1994 Rockets (Horry, before he shifted to power forward the next season after the Drexler-Thorpe deal), 1999 Spurs (Elliott), 2000 Lakers (Rice), 2004 Pistons (Prince), 2006 Heat (Walker, who actually averaged more mpg than O'Neal even though "stat gurus" insist that Walker is a subpar player) and the 2008 Celtics (Pierce).

Ariza would not likely have started for the 1995 Rockets, though he could have been a nice bench player for that team. Bowen (2003, 2005, 2007 Spurs) does not put up gaudy numbers, but he is a better defender and more proven shooter than Ariza. Based on skill set/familiarity with the Triangle Offense, I doubt that Ariza would start over Rick Fox for the 2001 or 2002 Lakers, either.

Derek Fisher ranked fifth on the 2009 Lakers in playoff minutes played. He struggled mightily with his shot throughout the playoffs (.394 shooting overall, including .284 from three point range), though he came up huge in game four of the Finals. Fisher also had some problems defensively with small, quick point guards. He is a savvy veteran player and a huge upgrade over Smush Parker but he would not start over the sure-shooting Paxson (or Armstrong) for the 1991-93 Bulls or over Harper for the 1996-98 Bulls, nor would he take minutes away from Smith and Cassell in Houston.

Perhaps Fisher could duel Avery Johnson for playing time for the 1999 Spurs. The 2000 Lakers started Harper, while the 2001 and 2002 Lakers started a younger, more athletic, better shooting version of Fisher. Clearly, Fisher would not start over Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups or even Rajon Rondo. I'd take Fisher over the 2006 Miami Heat version of Jason Williams.

Starting center Andrew Bynum averaged just 17.4 mpg in the playoffs for the 2009 Lakers. He may become an excellent player in the future but in the 2009 playoffs he was strictly a role player, reaching double figures in points just five times in 23 games and never reaching double figures in rebounds. Forget comparing Bynum to championship centers Olajuwon, O'Neal and Ben Wallace -- Bynum was not more productive than Bill Cartwright (1991-93 Bulls) or Luc Longley (1996-98 Bulls).

Luke Walton rounded out the Lakers' seven man rotation. Other seventh men of the past two decades include Steve Kerr and Mario Elie, each of whom hit huge shots during championship runs; the 2006 Miami Heat had a future Hall of Famer (Payton) as a seventh man and, while he was not extremely productive, he came through with several big shots.

David Friedman's work has appeared in Hoop, Basketball Digest, Sports Collectors Digest, HoopsHype.com and Tar Heel Monthly. He wrote the chapter on the NBA in the 1970s for the anthology Basketball in America: From the Playgrounds to Jordan's Game and Beyond (Haworth Press, 2005). Check out his basketball blog: 20 Second Timeout.

 

Gasol made the All-Star team exactly one time in six full seasons with Memphis. He was not an elite player at that time and indeed the Grizzlies got rid of him precisely because they realized that it would not be possible to build a championship team around him. Rather than get bounced in the first round of the playoffs every year, they decided to rebuild by getting younger; whether or not their plan will work is a separate issue, but the reality is that intelligent observers of the NBA understand that even though Gasol is highly skilled he is still best suited to being a complementary player, not a dominant player. It is certainly true that Gasol is a good "sidekick" for Bryant but Gasol is not a better "sidekick" than Hall of Famer Drexler, future Hall of Famer Pippen or Bryant himself, to name just three "sidekicks" from championship teams since 1991. Contrary to what you suggest, Bryant played a crucial role for the Lakers' three championship teams earlier in this decade and even in the 2000 Finals when he was slowed by an injury he had a significant impact, particularly in the game when Shaq fouled out. You also might want to look up what happened in the 2000 Finals game that Bryant missed due to injury. I'm not sure what a "borderline All-Star" is. Who made your "borderline All-Star" team last season? Is there also a "borderline borderline All-Star" team for players who are not quite good enough to make the "borderline All-Star team"? By adding enough "borderlines" you can eventually include every player in the NBA. In the real world, Odom has never made the All-Star team and he has proven that he is most effective in a secondary or even tertiary role. He is not nearly reliable or consistent enough to be called an All-Star, even though many people make the mistake of doing so. In the article I explained where he fits in among other tertiary threats on recent championship teams. Ariza is a journeyman. As I noted in the article, he would not have started at small forward for the vast majority of championship teams in recent years. Gasol, Odom, Ariza and others have all benefited noticeably from playing alongside Bryant. I addressed the rest of your concerns in the body of the article.
By: David Friedman 08/16/09 12:35am
You've gotta be kidding me. Gasol is literally the perfect sidekick and big man for the triangle offense. He's the best passing big man, basically a double digit rebounder, a top 3-5 post scorer, a damn good shooter for his size and a capable 20 ppg scorer in his own right. Gasol was the leader of 50 win teams in the West in the past. Odom is also a borderline all-star, Fisher is an experienced veteran, Ariza was a good defender, athletic finisher and three point shooter, Bynum was atleast a big body vs Howard. Shaq's 2000 Lakers cast was worse. Sure Kobe was good, but he was young, inconsistent and injured. Glen Rice did nothing but shoot(and he didn't do that as well as he usually did) and after that who did they have? Hell Fisher shot under 35% that season! Harper could help set up the offense a bit and play solid defense, but he also basically didn't score and shot under 40%. Fox didn't do much that season because of Rice. Hell, during the 3peat the Lakers didn't have any real talent outside of Shaq and Kobe or any consistent role players besides Fox. Hakeem didn't even have a 15 ppg scorer on the 1994 Rockets. Who was his second option? He didn't have a second or 3rd option like Gasol or Odom.
By: LMAO @ This 08/07/09 05:28pm
ADH: Your question obviously involves many hypothetical scenarios--the Lakers win the championship, multiple players make the All-Star team, etc.--but for the sake of discussion let's buy all of your premises. If everything you mentioned comes to pass then I would say that the 2010 Lakers would have to be considered much more talented than the 2009 Lakers. Artest is obviously more talented than Ariza and if Bynum truly plays at an All-Star level then that would be a vastly expanded role compared to the bit part that he played in the 2009 playoffs.
By: David Friedman 07/23/09 01:00am
Pretty good article, and well researched. Let me ask you this: Let's flash ahead one season. Let's say the Lakers win, this time with soon to be 3 time all-star Gasol, Odom, former DPOY Artest, and, quite possibly, all-Star Andrew Bynum (a lot needs to happen here, but with Yao out, Bynum has a good chance to be an All-Star in the West in 2010). All supporting the still-great Kobe. How do you see yourself ranking that team? I know it's a bit premature, but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts.
By: ADH 07/22/09 11:01pm
Gasol is an excellent player and probably my favourite big man in the league right now, but people are acting like he was considered a superstar for years. Where was all this adulation when he was playing for Memphis? The consensus now is that he is a top 10-15 player, yet I never hear that kind of talk when he was with the Grizzlies. This may tick a few people off, but I'm convinced that a lot of it is a way to downplay Kobe's role in Gasol's sudden emergence. It's patently obvious that Gasol has become a far more efficient player thanks to the attention drawn by Kobe, and had he remained in Memphis he would not be regarded as highly as he is now. All this stuff about Gasol being 'underrated' is revisionist history. He is 'rated' just right: as an extremely skilled, smart, and athletic big man who is ideally suited to be the sidekick of a true superstar.
By: Joel 06/28/09 01:03pm
Jams: I don't underrate Gasol at all. In fact, when I did my "awards" article at 20 Second Timeout, I put him on my All-NBA Second Team this year (as another commenter noted here, he made the Third Team in the official voting). That said, many of the "sidekicks"/second options on championship teams since 1991 have been first ballot HoF players who either made the Top 50 List (Pippen, Drexler, David Robinson) or would clearly be on such a list if it were put together now (Kobe Bryant from the 2000-02 Lakers). Pippen finished third in MVP voting the year that MJ retired, while Gasol has never received a single MVP vote in his entire career. The issue here is not that Gasol is underrated; he is a top 10-15 player in the league right now but Pippen, Drexler, Robinson, Bryant are Top 50 players of all-time (Robinson was still formidable in 1999 and my article takes into account that he was not the same player by 2003). It is also important to take into account the rest of the supporting cast. As I detailed in my article, Odom, Ariza, Fisher and the rest would not have had the same roles had they played for most of the other championship teams since 1991, with the exceptions--in certain cases--being the 1994 Rockets, 2002 Lakers and 2003 Spurs (as described in more detail in the article). Ed makes a great point about the positive impact that Kobe has had on his teammates and I disagree with the idea that Gasol would automatically be averaging 25 ppg in a different system. He was the main guy in Memphis and he never averaged 25 ppg. Gasol's field goal percentage has soared with the Lakers because of Kobe's passing and, even more importantly, because Kobe is the one being double-teamed. Mark Jackson talked about that during the Finals; Gasol gets to play one on one often because Kobe is on the strong side with him and Kobe's defender cannot leave Kobe to trap Gasol. While Gasol is a top notch player, he is not more skilled than Duncan or Nowitzki and not more valuable than a healthy Garnett.
By: David Friedman 06/28/09 03:21am
Uriondo, I think the most entertaining part of your post is the sentence "Derek's intangibles are that he is ready to pass Bryant always". You couldn't be more wrong. In fact, the complete opposite is true. Here's an excerpt from an interview with Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw during the Finals: "But he's (Kobe) the closest one out there to them on the floor, so a lot of times they'll force the ball in with three people around (Kobe) instead of making the right play. Fish (Derek Fisher) will do the right thing, but Fish has played the same amount of years, has been through all the wars with him. Some of the younger guys, they just want to make (Kobe) happy."
By: themojojedi 06/25/09 12:28am
I think this article is severely flawed as Gasol is clearly one of the best players in the league at the moment. He is not American and that is the only reason he doesn't get the credit he deserves. His importance to the team is comparable to how important Pippen was to the Bulls.
By: Jams 06/24/09 09:05pm
I've read your paper with interest, but I could not help asking myself if you were serious. While I can understand it is your job to write about "interesting subject, I never get this obsession of comparing Kobe with M.J.. Because ultimately that what it is. You'll never be able to do so because it would require a scientific comparison not only of the championship teams (what you've done is by no mean scientific), but also all the others. Keep entertain us, those article will never do more than that
By: Mc Burney 06/24/09 04:42am
People underrated Pau Gasol. The reason very few knew how good he is is because he was playing in the middle of nowhere. He's not American, so most will not pay attention. Making the all-star team is a popularity contest as much as anything. The fact Gasol only made the third team this year is an injustice. He's under-appreciated, and I'm not sure even Lakers fans fully realize what they have in Gasol. If you look at his numbers, the only reason he wasn't scoring 25 a game is because of shot attempts. 18p/10r, knows how to pass, effective low and high posts, can defend, shoots 60%. People should wake up. Kobe didn't win this alone.
By: Bob 06/24/09 04:36am
I don't know his exact age but I'm pretty sure Gasol is 27 or 28. If he keeps up his 19-9-55+% for the next few years and goes deep into the playoffs as a second or on some nights first option, doesn't this at least entertain the idea of his being a hall of famer? If one estimates without any leniency an average of 1000 points per year over those next four years [his low is 996 in 56 games and his average is over 1400], and then 4 years at half that production it would give him upwards of 17k points in his career at the age of 36. The near gurantee of hall of fame status is the 20k threshold which doesn't seem unreasonable. Who can guard him in the west? Lamarcus Aldridge? an elderly Tim Duncan? David West is the only person he has problems against.
By: tiger 06/23/09 07:13pm
Great article, David. During the early part of the season, we heard so much about how deep this Lakers team was, but as the season wore on, it became obvious that the sum of the parts was greater than the individual pieces on its own with the exception of KB24. While this team deserved to be crowned Champions for this season, as you so clearly stated in your article, it was far from a "GREAT" championship team. While it was a Team effort, KB24 deserves all the credit and accolades given to him and then some. What people often overlook is the impact KB24 has on his teammates. How much easier he makes the game for those playing along side of him. You've stated this fact on numerous occasions, but I took a moment to go back and look at the impact KB24 has had on Gasol, Fisher, Odom and even Kwame Brown and the stats don't lie. Gasol shot 50.9% PreKB, 57.8% w/KB on one fewer FGA, but scoring the same 18.9pt/g. Fisher in the years away from KB shot 39.5% overall, 35.9% from 3pt, but back with KB, shot 43.0% overall and 40.2% from 3pt. Odom shot 43.7% PreKB, 48.8% w/KB. As for Kwame, WOW!...PreKB shot 44.6%, w/KB shot 54.4%, PostKB shot 51.0%. It really boggles my mind to hear people say, "well, Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, unlike, Micheal, Nash, Lebron, etc, etc...." Getting back to your point, the 2009 Lakers team maximized their potential as a unit following their leader to the Title. While they might not be the greatest team to be crowned Champs now, my hope is that they will only get better and better in the upcoming seasons. And one day, when we look back 10-15 years from now, we might indeed change our perception of the Kobe/Gasol/Odom Championship teams.
By: Ed 06/23/09 12:19pm
Who determines which players are "All Stars" and "Hall of Fame" caliber? People do. And people often misjudge talent and relevance. So what? If the Lakers are not that good of a championship team (an oxy moronic statement) then Bryant MUST be one of the best players ever. How else do you explain them winning 65 games in a tough Western Conference and walking home with all the marbles? Cleveland didn't do it. Injuries buried Boston. Orlando wasn't up to the charge. So is this a league thing or simply a Lakers thing?
By: T. Rogers 06/23/09 11:38am
Thanks for this. Was trying to put something like this together, but never finished it. Once again, top notch work. And I know that Walker was a big time contributor to that Heat team, but he was also brutal during those playoffs. He shot a miserable percentage (especially considering how he was playing with Shaq and Wade) and didn't do that much else. Maybe I'm just a Lakers homer, but I'd take 2009 playoff Ariza over 2006 playoff Walker any day.
By: Jordan 06/23/09 10:49am
Generally, a pretty good article and I agree with much of your comments. I’m a longtime Lakers follower and think you got it right regarding their relative position in history. I was so frustrated with their play in the playoffs that I was coming to the conclusion that if they didn’t polish off the Magic in 4 or 5 games, they were champions only because Kevin Garnett and Jameer Nelson were injured. Two things happened that made me accept them as worthy champions: 1) They did beat the Magic in 5 games (although they could have just as easily been down 3-1); 2) Their complete turnaround, starting with the 4th quarter of Game 5 against the Nuggets. From that point on, they were easily the best team in the NBA, finishing the season by winning 6 out of their last 7 games against the elite of the league, including a hot Nuggets team that had only lost one game in each of their series against New Orleans and Dallas. Can next year’s team be rated even better? Of course, assuming they resign Odom and Ariza, and Bynum recovers and becomes the player he was projecting out to be. His January numbers were scary each year he was injured, projecting out to almost 20 pts and 20 boards over 48 min. Now that would be a team you could compare to the other greats!
By: geokie8 06/23/09 08:13am
Great article. Very interesting. I would say that having a "Big Three" is important but not a prerequisite. Gasol and Odom have the talent to be All-Star/All-NBA players, but Odom never put it all together. He prefers to be in the background. So I think this Lakers team was perfectly set-up to break that mold. I don't think they are a great team but they are deserving champions. Great stuff.
By: Jed 06/23/09 04:45am
Gasol was the number one option in Memphis for over six years, so he had plenty of opportunities to try to be a "perennial All-Star." He made the All-Star team once, never made the All-NBA Team, never received a single MVP vote and failed to win even one playoff game. He also never shot nearly as well from the field as he has since joining the Lakers and benefiting from the double and triple teams that Bryant draws. Gasol is an excellent player who is perfectly suited to being the second best player on the Lakers--but he is also neither as talented nor as accomplished as the majority of the second option players on recent championship teams, including Scottie Pippen, Clyde Drexler, David Robinson and Kobe Bryant. While Bryant is fortunate to have Gasol as a complementary player, Gasol is just as fortunate to have the opportunity to play alongside Bryant, who takes a lot of pressure off of Gasol. Bryant, Jerry West and Michael Jordan are the only players to average 30-plus ppg and 7-plus apg in the Finals, so your assessment of Bryant's "selfishness" is even more off base than your evaluation of Gasol.
By: David Friedman 06/23/09 01:58am
Gasol has never been judged by numbers and is seriously underrated. No championship team in the past has been ever stood on the shoulders of a selfish player like Bryant. He is a genious, but is pretty difficult to get role players who can accept not receiving the ball when they have the best shoot opportunity. Derek's intangibles are that he is ready to pass Bryant always. Gasol could be a perennial all star if his shaggy Quijotesque complexion would fit better with your idea of how a basketball player should look like
By: Uriondo 06/23/09 01:25am
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